The end of candid shoeplay on C4S?

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The end of candid shoeplay on C4S?

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I don't if anyone else who subscribed to got this email, but yesterday morning I received this in my email from Maurovieri...
Dear customer,
due to the new rules imposed by clips4sale, very soon I will not be able to upload new candid videos in my store 2922 and maybe my store’s survival will also be at risk. So I invite you to write to me at maurovieri2 at yahoo it (you can also find it in the first page of my store if you choose the vertical setting) if you want to be included in a list of names that I will keep informed about my future works. Otherwise save it to keep open the possibility to contact me in the future.
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So when I logged into C4S myself to see what this was about, I found this..
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Basically, Visa and Mastercard are requiring adult content vendors to have anyone who appears in the content they host to have submitted specific model forms and various forms of ID. Visa and Mastercard have been moving like this ever since that investigation into Pornhub last year regarding illegal content, in which they purged millions of videos that weren't uploaded by verified models (my wife and I WERE a verified couple and we still got our stuff purged).

So basically the future of candid content (at least on that platform or any that accepts Visa/Mastercard) is looking very bleak. I understand it's "just business" and all that, but I wish the crackdown on illegal content didn't have to effect something that wasn't even related.


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Yes it is indeed a DARK DARK SAD DAY....the end of CANDID material on C4S
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Well I'm sure he could just work from a thread om forums like this one. Create a a preview thread on here and people could just send him an email what they want and then could send a payment from here.
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I never got into C4S but what worked for me so far is doing business through social media, there's always other avenues.
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yes i got that email also.
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We had a staff meeting about this just today, since as Feet4Cash we own a few stores.

The problem is not just for videos where you don't have the consent of the models (such as candid videos of course), but also for videos of which you actually have all the required Photo IDs and signed documents (as in our case).

The thing is that, per the European laws (GDPR especially), we simply CANNOT provide those documents to Clips4Sale. We can sign any document or anything they want saying we have them, but giving it to them would put us in huge danger here in Europe.
I am in touch with many big production companies and they all agree that Clips4Sale (or anyone else, since Pornhub sometimes asks the same) simply cannot ask anyone to give such sensitive information of someone you are working with

Mastercard didn't exactly require them to do what they are doing, in no place of their new regulations they require them to provide such specific documentation. They just tell them to have a procedure in place to verify all user-uploaded content. We upload the content, so why not just leave to us the responsibility to show that documentation if requested to do so?
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That's really sad, I think it's a serious crackdown against the whole porn industry, not only candid. Candids of course have no way out from this restrictions. We will go back to dvds and post-office :-(
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Yes, it's a big crackdown this time, on many levels.

On one hand, as a producer I can't be totally sad about user uploaded content being put more under control (would limit piracy on tubes at least)...but on the other hand...it is all taking a direction that makes very hard to work.

As usual.... credit card companies only want to go against the porn industry, as they always did.
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It's so depressing... I just hope we will still be able to get candid stuff maybe through email and ecc.. First YT then PH and now also C4S... We are so unlucky!!
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Sadly, candid videos have always been in some sort of "gray area"... but they have never been 100% legal. It was only a matter of time, especially on sites where transactions are involved.
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I am just curious... maybe after a crackdown on hundreds of small privateers in porn business, one-two huge multi millionairs will enter the business and these laws will not be applicable for them.
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The oher problem with nylon candids is, that they are practically became non-existent. There are no trade shows, and also the working crowd started to dress even more casually during/after the covid. So I am skeptical that we will reach the pre-covid levels of ladies wearing nylons. I think it will be much worse after everything goes back to normal.

My last trade show visit was in march 2020, a smaller motorcycle show. There were 10-12 girls wearing nylons, some with sneakers some with boots, some with pumps. During the whole afternoon I could capture 3 minutes of shoeplay in a dark corner, which turned out to be too dark. It is of course frustrating, that some 5-10 years ago central europe was a gold mine of nylon scenes, and now the future is totally bad looking. Travel restrictions, lack of nylons, casual looking girls....
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nyllover wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:45 pm As usual.... credit card companies only want to go against the porn industry, as they always did.
Why? I don't think it starts from credit card companies, for them it's just more transactions and more money, as far as I can tell.
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ismaltese wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:49 pm
nyllover wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:45 pm As usual.... credit card companies only want to go against the porn industry, as they always did.
Why? I don't think it starts from credit card companies, for them it's just more transactions and more money, as far as I can tell.
Well, it does. All this started because of MasterCard changing the rules everyone who processes their card needs to follow in order to avoid their account being suspended.
It all started with the PornHub mess, after VISA and MC suspended the ability to process payments to Pornhub and, shortly after that, Mastercard modified those rules.
I've seen the documents, it basically is all about giving more responsibilities on user-generated content legality to the site that is hosting the content. So if a user uploads a video that features a person who didn't give permission to be there, the site itself can lose the ability to process MasterCard transactions forever.
So you can imagine why all these sites are trying to cover their a**es...but what Clips4Sale is doing, in my opinion, is way more than what MC requires.
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christo wrote: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:30 pm Well I'm sure he could just work from a thread om forums like this one. Create a a preview thread on here and people could just send him an email what they want and then could send a payment from here.
would love to see that here...It sure looks as if the CANDID shoeplay community has to "fend for itself" moving forward!
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Leopard wrote: Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:28 pm It's so depressing... I just hope we will still be able to get candid stuff maybe through email and ecc.. First YT then PH and now also C4S... We are so unlucky!!
I share your sentiments...its a real shame!
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Ive had trouble buying clips from C4S for a while, it seems where I live they are blocking any purchases from that site. I wish there was other ways to buy clips from there.
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Bishoeplayguy wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:08 am Ive had trouble buying clips from C4S for a while, it seems where I live they are blocking any purchases from that site. I wish there was other ways to buy clips from there.
A vpn should help. It'll give you full access to any site from anywhere in the world.
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I am in total agreement with companies protecting women & men from being unknowingly exploited on the internet. It helps reduce or eliminate revenge porn and other forms of harmful content. So the intention for good is their. But it's also gonna crush the little guys and make it harder for them to profit. These new rules gives more power to greedy companies.

As far as candid content (which imo is the best)it's not really illegal if filmed in the open but questionable if filmed within a private business. Taking candid videos of women's feet isn't harming anyone. I once belonged to a candid site called The Candid Forum (don't bother looking into as it's membership is closed & they kick out people who do not contribute super HQ content on the regular) and the sorta content shared there was crazy. So candid content is in high demand.

My thoughts, is create a section here on this forum where sellers can show previews of their work and buyers could use PayPal or Bitcoin to make purchases. This would help keep the little guys in business. Any thoughts?
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Well, if the face of the woman can be seen, I'm not 100% sure is legal, even if recorded out in the open.
Opening a section like that... I don't know...this forum has always been about sharing, not selling...
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